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From: "Steve Harris" <>
Subject: Re: Fish Odour
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:32:38 -0600

> "Sprite" <> wrote...
> >I think I have trimethylaminuria (fish odour syndrome) and I was hoping
> >someone could point me in the direction of futher help.

If you're female and the fish odor is in the region of your vagina, I would
suggest you see a gynecologist. These things usually aren't serious, but if
you want to do something about it, there are antibiotics to help.

From: "Steve Harris" <>
Subject: Re: Fish Odour
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:52:06 -0600

"mnt" <> wrote in message
> have you been drinking again Dr Harriss?  Tony is a mans name, men do not
> have vaginas,  and vaginas smell like fish from  the hormones kept there,
> the same hormones you find in carp and other fish,  that's why it smells
> like that

I've got terrible news for you. Vaginas don't "ordinarily" smell like fish.

I could go on, but I'm feeling kind today.


From: "Steve Harris" <>
Subject: Re: Fish Odour
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:14:57 -0600

"mnt" <> wrote in message
> in japan older women replace natural hormones with a drink made from
> fermented carp fish.  you can ask about this at the Sushi bar if you ever
> get a date.

If I ever date an older japanese woman and she wants to go to a sushi bar
to stock up on fermented carp to get hormones, I'll be sure and ask.
Sounds like something straight out of After Many A Summer Dies the Swan.
Say, does it keep them young? Does anybody care?

> i am not an expert on vaginas but i do have a very good nose, i suppose
> next you are going to tell me they do not "ordinarily" taste like butter
> pecan ice cream,

Women's vaginas don't generally smell like what they've been eating. Perhaps
you've not only been taken in by leaky gut syndrome stories, but leaky
vagina syndrome stories, too.

> btw women are getting smarter you can't trick them with the smelly vagina
> story any more.

Can't "trick" them?? There's nothing up my sleeve. Neither trichinella nor
bacterial vaginosis per se is going to go on to pelvic inflamatory disease,
and although they do (as irritative forces) seem to predispose to passage of
HIV in Africa, if you don't have the HIV exposure, they're harmless.
Nevertheless, if you treat both partners they do go away, and you can eat
all the fish you like after that, and nothing will happen, so they have
nothing to do with diet.

Of course, with multiple sex partners you're soon going to be in the same
fix. Blind men at the docks have a terrible time at the fish counters ("Hey
ladies, hows the action?"). Truthfully I once had an infectious disease
expert tell me that bacterial vaginosis was more of a cosmetic than a
medical problem, and needn't be treated. (He happened to be male). And in
some cultures and with some people, I'm sure it's true. You can actually
smear your bottom with fermented carp paste, for all I care.  In the US,
however, I predict you'll have more success with butter-pecan.

From: "Steve Harris" <>
Subject: Re: Fish Odour
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 03:10:41 -0600

"Al Bardo" <> wrote in message
> In article <9jl829$ip7$>, SBHarris123
> says...
> > If you're female and the fish odor is in the region of your vagina, I
> > would suggest you see a gynecologist.
> Bacterial vaginosis?
> --
> Al Bardo

Yep. If it smells like fish, treat with metronidazole/flagyl.  You'll find
it's not a fact of nature.

From: Steve Harris <>
Subject: Re: Pheromones, sex
Date: 6 Aug 2005 22:51:10 -0700
Message-ID: <>

Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:12:24 GMT, "MCP" <>
> wrote:
> >
> ><> wrote in message
> >
> >
> >> Is it true that a woman's pubic area has a scent or chemical that
> >> affects mens' sexual desire?  Or is it a myth?
> >
> >It's a myth idiot,it smells like rotten fish!
> Wrong.  The "rotten fish" odor is present when there is either an
> illness (infection) or the area is not being kept clean.


Yep, it's infection. Not necessarily an STD, but usually so
(particularly in younger women). And there are multiple implicated
bugs, some of them known (trichomonas), and some of them still debated.
But they all produce amines, which is what smells "fishy" (salt water
fish produce trimethylamine oxide as an osmotic agent), and the
infections almost always respond to Flagyl/metronidazole.  Usually both
partners need to be treated. If a woman has multiple partners, she has
to get rid of the amores to get rid of the amines. Congugate that ;)
Nobody can stay on metronidazole forever, as it messes with your
peripheral nerves.

I was once at a continuing med education session on STDs and heard a
(male) expert say that a fishy vulva was more of a "cosmetic" than a
"medical" problem. I heard it! I did eye-rolling like Susan Sarandon
and heard some faint suppressed groans behind me. But was sitting up
front and didn't have the guts to turn around to see who was making
them. Too bad. Cowardice. And so now I cannot report.

And since we've arrived at politics, now for a politically-incorrect
comment. Avert your eyes, all ye who cannot take such things. Stop
reading here.  Don't blame me for what comes next, if you don't. STOP.


If a woman with a fishy vulva is a leftist CANADIAN, and the problem is
indeed merely "cosmetic," the academic question for today is this: is
metronidazole something she medically NEEDS, or something she merely
WANTS?  I hear she'll actually be paying more for generic metronidazole
than in the US (though in truth it's cheap).  But if it's not a medical
necessity, SHOULD society pay for it?  I believe there should be
massive Provincial referrenda to determine this important democratic
issue, immediately!

The only spot of cheer here is that metronidazole has long gone off
patent, so there won't be any TV commercials urging its use for this
cosmetic problem. And you thought the $8 buck a pill Lamasil TOENAIL
infection commercials were bad (Do Canadians get Lamasil??).  Think
what the little wee beasties in a **Flagyl** commercial would be doing.


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