From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Re: Natural M.D.s Date: 1 Aug 2005 10:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1122915930.928234.255880@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ted rosenberg wrote: > More bullshit from the scammers > > DO's are not physicians Unlike Natutofrauds, they get a similar > education from some schools, and can practice medicine in some states. COMMENT: In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians. SBH From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,alt.health,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Re: Natural M.D.s Date: 1 Aug 2005 22:45:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1122961550.861076.108430@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mr-Natural-Health wrote: > > COMMENT: > > > > In all states. And since they go through the same hospital internships > > as M.D.'s, they make it though the same Spring Training, and if not > > dropped, are on the Medical Team. I don't know any physicians who don't > > consider D.O.'s bonafide physicians (myself included). Nor (for that > > matter) any D.O.'s who don't consider themselves physicians. > > So? > > It still does not change the fact that DO's, or Osteopaths, are > practicing alternative medicine by definition. :) > > Just thought that you might want to know. COMMENT: Just thought I'd like to know about your private definitions? No, sorry, I'm not interested. Neither MD's nor DO's think that they, or each other, are practicing "alterative medicine". On the contrary, alternative medicine is *defined* mainly by things MD's and DO's jointly think are not worth recommending. This is not to say either profession is pure. Both MDs' and DOs do some things that aren't backed by first quality scientific evidence. Some DO's do massage adjustments (craniosacrotherapy) which look pretty much like chiropractic therapy to me. People feel better after them, just as with massage, but double blind placebo controlled experiments are hard to do. Double blind placebo controlled experiments are just as hard to do with exercise, which both DOs and MDs recommended on the basis of second-quality evidence. I think it's just possible that due to the many confounders in exercise, that if we could do a placebo controlled doubled blinded study, we might be as shocked by the results as we were with HRT or vitamin E. Look at the hit that accupuncture just took. You never know. SBH |