From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,soc.culture.usa,sci.agriculture, sci.environment,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Re: Sexy Beef: Most Disgusting Sprol Post Yet Date: 5 Jun 2005 13:27:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1118003264.334473.164980@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> >>All of that homones, antibiotics, and other garbage in the meat isn't very good for people. It turns out that the hormones in the meat cause estrogen levels to rise in people who eat it < http://www.fas.usda.gov/itp/po=ADlicy/hormone2.html >. << COMMENT: Do you read your own cites? This one certainly does not say that. I challenge you to prove it. Given that the amounts of hormone involved are far less than you'd find in other foods (eggs) and also far less than the body produces, even before puberty, this seems highly unlikely. So show your cites. >>Even though the EU won't allow it, the USDA insists that the rise in hormone levels is safe. Especially for children. << What rise in hormone levels? You presume that which is not in evidence. >>Do any of your friends have daughters who have experienced premature sexual development? You'd better not ask them. << Age of menarche is dropping in the EU as well, as it does in all developed countries, no matter how they raise their cattle. Explain that. This is a function of weight gain and total food intake. It DOES happen more frequently, but only because we have fatter teenagers, no hormone-fed teenagers. It would happen just as much with junkfood fed girls no matter what kind of beef they ate. BMC Pediatr. 2003 Apr 30;3(1):3. The relation of menarcheal age to obesity in childhood and adulthood: the Bogalusa heart study. Freedman DS, Khan LK, Serdula MK, Dietz WH, Srinivasan SR, Berenson GS; Bogalusa heart study. Division of Nutrition and Physical Activity, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA, USA. DFreedman@cdc.gov BACKGROUND: Several studies have shown that girls who undergo menarche at a relatively young age tend to be more obese as adults. However, because childhood (pre-menarcheal) levels of weight and height are associated with an earlier menarche, the increased prevalence of adult obesity among early maturers may largely reflect the persistence of childhood obesity into adulthood. METHODS: We examined these interrelationships among 1179 girls (65% white, 35% black) who were examined as children (mean age, 9 y), adolescents, and adults (mean age, 26 y) in the Bogalusa Heart Study. RESULTS: Both white and black women who reported that they underwent menarche before age 12 y had, on average, higher adult levels of weight (+10 kg), body mass index (BMI, +4 kg/m2) and skinfold thicknesses (+6 mm) than did women who underwent menarche after age 13.5 y. However, relatively fat children tended to undergo menarche earlier than did thinner children, with each standard deviation increase in pre-menarcheal BMI increasing the odds of early menarche (<12 y) by approximately 2-fold. Stratified and regression analyses indicated that (1) adult obesity was more strongly associated with childhood obesity than with menarcheal age, and (2) about 60% to 75% of the apparent effect of menarcheal age was due to the influence of childhood obesity on both menarcheal age and adult obesity. CONCLUSIONS: Although additional longitudinal studies are needed, it is likely that the importance of early menarche in adult obesity has been overestimated. Most of apparent influence of menarcheal age on adult obesity is attributable to the association of childhood obesity with both menarcheal age and adult obesity. PMID: 12723990 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] From: Steve Harris <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,soc.culture.usa,sci.agriculture, sci.environment,sci.med.nutrition Subject: Re: Sexy Beef: Most Disgusting Sprol Post Yet Date: 5 Jun 2005 15:30:36 -0700 Message-ID: <1118010636.537006.322180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> >>It's a function of hormonal bioactivity Herr Doktor. << And what evidence is there that children eating hormone-treated beef, and opposed to non-hormone treated beef, have more "hormonal bioactivity." >>You do your assigned job quite well Harris. It paid off to take the fall and sell out to become a "Dr." didn't it? << No. I've spent most of my career with about as much money as Dr. Zoidberg. >>I know your story Harris.Poor boy wants the wealth that being a doctor would provide but doesn't have the money for med school. << Poor guess. I was middle class. I had to borrow money for medical school. >>Unnamed patrons supply the living accomodations, a car, tuition, etc., and a stipend.<< COMMENT: LOL. Don't I wish! My total list of patrons is: GSL, NDSL. Not only did they have names, but they wanted their money back with interest! NDSL didn't want quite the rates of Guido and Vinny, but close enough. >> The fix is in and you didn't do anything except coast along until the prof. got scared of sliding you through and demanded you actually do some work to earn your passing marks. << COMMENT: Now you've taken all leave of reality. But it's entertaining. I wonder how many people would actually need to be paid off for somebody to become a board certified licensed California physician, without doing the work? The mind reels. But here you are, suggesting it. Which is an index with how far out of contact with reality you are. <<Well, you did it Harris and now you'll spend the rest of your life paying them back. << COMMENT: Nah, I paid THEM (ie, the Feds) back years ago. I can now afford new tires for my 1982 Volvo 240 DL. But I still refuse to pay for the dang overdrive relay switch. You know what they WANT for that litte sucker, new? It's criminal. How come nuts like you can't do something useful, and look into things like this? >>What *is* a soul worth these days?......30 pieces of silver? << COMMENT: No, but if you have the right Volvo overdrive relay switch, we can maybe talk. SBH |